Scleroderma Information » Scleroderma » A to Z Warns Against Newsgroup
Question:
I suspect that the warning on A to Z will have the opposite effect…it will make people curious and MORE likely to visit. Then we’ll just have to show how nice and supportive we are!
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Apple Annie wrote in message
<19991005110109.08993.00000…@ng-cd1.aol.com>… >website.. Who does she think she is to say that " It is an entirely unmoderated >newsgroup, with no recourse available for those who are troubled or harmed by >other members of the group."
Annie, she says that because she asked me via email if the group was moderated and I said no. Though Shelley did make this assumption on her own, she is mostly correct in saying there is no recourse available also, since history over the last 3 years with a pesky AOL troll here showed that, regardless of how many people reported in how many ways to the powers that be, it was only silenced by the pressure tactics of troll slayers. I’d suggest you do what I’ve been doing since seeing the "warning" – writing directly to Shelley and discussing merits vs. risks of unmoderated forums instead of posting here to no avail.
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>I suspect that the warning on A to Z will have the opposite effect…it will >make people curious and MORE likely to visit. Then we’ll just have to show >how >nice and supportive we are!
Good point! Smiles 
Apple Annie ***To reply remove "nospam" from my address*** My favorite scleroderma and arthritis sites are…. http://sclerodermasupport.com http://ihavescleroderma.com http://www.toad.net/~dreichard/ http://arthritisnet.com
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Through some surfing it has been found by a friend of mine that Shelley now has the following warning posted on her site at http://sclero.org/support/forums-message-bds/a-to-z.html "WARNING 10-1-99: We have verified reports regarding flaming, spamming, and disruptive postings originating from the alt.support.scleroderma newsgroup. It is an entirely unmoderated newsgroup, with no recourse available for those who are troubled or harmed by other members of the group. Therefore, we recommend that you seek out well-moderated lists which are members of the Scleroderma Webmaster’s Association." Now for my response. She has verified reports??????? She is the cause of the entire problem here. This just shows us that Shelley Ensz has no intention to be there for support to other people. She just wants to be highly regarded as important. That is obvious by her stance that she took here. She caused the entire problem here and for her to now say on her page that "WE" meaning her site have verified reports is sickening. She caused the conflict here, yet is not willing to accept that responsibility.How much verification did that take for her to figure out? She would rather flame people publically on her own website.. Who does she think she is to say that " It is an entirely unmoderated newsgroup, with no recourse available for those who are troubled or harmed by other members of the group." She doesn’t have any idea what type of support we offer here in this newsgroup. I am here to tell everyone it is a Heck of a lot more than she offers. Is this the type of person we want representing scleroderma online? I sure hope not. I am so mad right now. I need that jar of smiles passed to me again. Smiles Apple Annie ***To reply remove "nospam" from my address*** My favorite scleroderma and arthritis sites are…. http://sclerodermasupport.com http://ihavescleroderma.com http://www.toad.net/~dreichard/ http://arthritisnet.com
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Thanks for making this point, leanne!!! Leanne1957 wrote in message
<19991005174929.20935.00001…@ng-fo1.aol.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I suspect that the warning on A to Z will have the opposite effect…it will >make people curious and MORE likely to visit. Then we’ll just have to show how >nice and supportive we are!
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Ditto, Leanne! Ditto ditto, Annie!! Hey, Leanne! Long time no see, no speak <guilty as charged>! What are you up to these days! –Jaimes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Leanne wrote: > >I suspect that the warning on A to Z will have the opposite effect…it will > >make people curious and MORE likely to visit. Then we’ll just have to show > >how > >nice and supportive we are! > Good point! > Smiles > Apple Annie > ***To reply remove "nospam" from my address*** > My favorite scleroderma and arthritis sites are…. > http://sclerodermasupport.com > http://ihavescleroderma.com > http://www.toad.net/~dreichard/ > http://arthritisnet.com
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On 05 Oct 1999 15:01:09 GMT, applespi…@aol.comnospam (Apple Annie) wrote: >Through some surfing it has been found by a friend of mine that Shelley now has >the following warning posted on her site at >http://sclero.org/support/forums-message-bds/a-to-z.html >"WARNING 10-1-99: We have verified reports regarding flaming, spamming, and >disruptive postings originating from the alt.support.scleroderma newsgroup. It >is an entirely unmoderated newsgroup, with no recourse available for those who >are troubled or harmed by other members of the group. Therefore, we recommend >that you seek out well-moderated lists which are members of the Scleroderma >Webmaster’s Association."
What’s happening here? Did I miss something this past week? This is a wonderful news group. I’ve seen some good natured kidding around, but never any heavy duty flaming. We’re among friends here. It seems that every news group from time to time has someone who drifts in and tries to cause havoc. Bob – alle…@tiac.net ICQ 6418621
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I am sorry that the newsgroup has a history of a resident troll. I don’t see where that applies to this situation. >I’d suggest you do what I’ve been doing since seeing the "warning" – writing >directly to Shelley and discussing merits vs. risks of unmoderated forums >instead of posting here to no avail.
The problem with this idea is that I don’t get a response. Amie I just shared my thoughts on the situation here and on the warning posted on A to Z. People reading this newsgroup will either agree with my views or not. What I wrote is how "I" feel about the situation. Smiles Apple Annie ***To reply remove "nospam" from my address*** My favorite scleroderma and arthritis sites are…. http://sclerodermasupport.com http://ihavescleroderma.com http://www.toad.net/~dreichard/ http://arthritisnet.com
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<<<Hey, Leanne! Long time no see, no speak <guilty as charged>! What are you up to these days! –Jaimes >>> Hi Jaimes! Not much new here! I’m doing fine…Paul had a bit of a flare this summer and felt kinda lousy, but he seems to be on the upswing. Hope all is well with you! Leanne
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Point well taken, Annie. I just wanted to clarify the source of the "unmoderated" statement in Shelley’s message – the rest is obviously moot if Shelley won’t answer your email. Sorry. Apple Annie wrote in message
<19991005133824.12873.00001…@ng-fm1.aol.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I am sorry that the newsgroup has a history of a resident troll. I don’t see >where that applies to this situation. >>I’d suggest you do what I’ve been doing since seeing the "warning" – writing >>directly to Shelley and discussing merits vs. risks of unmoderated forums >>instead of posting here to no avail. >The problem with this idea is that I don’t get a response. Amie I just shared >my thoughts on the situation here and on the warning posted on A to Z. People >reading this newsgroup will either agree with my views or not. What I wrote is >how "I" feel about the situation. >Smiles >Apple Annie >***To reply remove "nospam" from my address*** >My favorite scleroderma and arthritis sites are…. >http://sclerodermasupport.com >http://ihavescleroderma.com >http://www.toad.net/~dreichard/ >http://arthritisnet.com
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Hi, Bob, Cruise through the archives to get the skinny. I was going to post about the Warning but I think I’ll just let it speak for itself. The site manager must have been compelled to not support this group, among others, and the Warning was the blunt sword of choice. To consider this strange is an understatement, and it is a definitive reflection on the site and its associates. Personally, I thinks it sucks the Big Kahoona… Take care and be well! –Jaimes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bob DeSavage wrote: > On 05 Oct 1999 15:01:09 GMT, applespi…@aol.comnospam (Apple Annie) > wrote: > >Through some surfing it has been found by a friend of mine that Shelley now has > >the following warning posted on her site at > >http://sclero.org/support/forums-message-bds/a-to-z.html > >"WARNING 10-1-99: We have verified reports regarding flaming, spamming, and > >disruptive postings originating from the alt.support.scleroderma newsgroup. It > >is an entirely unmoderated newsgroup, with no recourse available for those who > >are troubled or harmed by other members of the group. Therefore, we recommend > >that you seek out well-moderated lists which are members of the Scleroderma > >Webmaster’s Association." > What’s happening here? Did I miss something this past week? This is a > wonderful news group. I’ve seen some good natured kidding around, but > never any heavy duty flaming. We’re among friends here. It seems that > every news group from time to time has someone who drifts in and tries > to cause havoc. > Bob > – > alle…@tiac.net > ICQ 6418621
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